How Live Music, Discipline, And Real Friendships Shape An Artist

An artist, one small-room origin story, and a hard-earned belief that relationships outlast numbers. We open with NonPareil open mic at Jirani, where song choice taught us the stakes of a room and live bands pushed him beyond backing tracks. From church keys and family jam sessions to SoundCloud Fridays and DMV road-test feedback, we map the indie grind that turns taste into craft and stage nerves into presence.

The mood shifts when a DUI derails the plan, and two weeks in county produce unexpected clarity. Writing in a cramped routine birthed the Rehab album—introspective, honest, and fueled by the promise to never let pain go to waste. We get practical about drinking smarter, setting boundaries at parties, and building systems that keep autopilot from running your life. Then fatherhood arrives, and everything sharpens. A four-year-old son becomes the reason to finish a 15-track project called Situationships, a raw look at how people can become vices and how purpose breaks the loop.

We geek out on mixtape culture, missing originals, and why curation still shapes taste—Wiz’s Cabin Fever, Gucci deep cuts, and the frustration of reordered tracklists. AI sneaks into the studio as a fast demo ally, not a soul replacement. We talk Suno experiments, the “feel” only live players bring, and why multiple takes and real direction matter. If you’re an artist or a fan who cares about songwriting, production, and the craft behind a great performance, this one’s for you. Hit play, share it with a friend who needs the nudge, and tap that follow. If the conversation moved you, leave a review and tell us the one relationship that’s shaped your art the most.

Relationships Worth More Than Money by Tweezy Kennedy & Marcus Alland
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Chapters

• 0:59 Meeting Through Frank And Open Mics
• 3:04 Gerani Coffee House Shoutouts
• 4:28 Finding A Voice As A Musician
• 8:04 Church Roots And Self-Taught Keys
• 11:47 Writing Discipline And Song Finishing
• 16:34 Loss, Purpose, And Starting To Release
• 20:05 DUI, Jail Time, And The Rehab Album
• 24:43 Drinking Smarter And Party Boundaries
• 27:49 Fatherhood And Finishing The Album
• 31:31 Situationships: Theme, Features, Drop Plan
• 35:39 Mixtapes, Missing Tracks, And Curation
• 42:32 AI Tools, Live Bands, And The “Feel”
• 50:29 Studio Standards, Emotion, And Takes
• 54:00 Gems: Priorities, Vices, Daily Systems
• 56:53 Men’s Mental Health And Community
• 59:39 Closers, Socials, And Subscribe

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:30

All right, y'all, y'all. We back. We back with another episode of Relationships Worth More than Money. I'm Tweezy. Who do I got to the left of me? It's your boy Nan Perel, man.

SPEAKER_01: 0:38

9P. We in here.

SPEAKER_03: 0:40

9P. What's good, bro?

SPEAKER_01: 0:42

Man, chilling, bro. Yeah. I mean, we say in chilling, you know, be how we work, but yeah. It's cool though, man. I feel like settled. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 0:52

Yeah, first and foremost, man. Um, I always do like like uh if we met somewhere or anything, like you know, how we met, I would say, I always do that. Let's do that. Like, how how did we meet? Dang.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05

Oh, you got me thinking. Yeah, got me thinking because I feel like we met a few times. The first time we met, was it it wasn't through Frank, was it? It was through Frank. Frank the Connect, bro. Frank the Connect, bro. Yeah, that's crazy. Where was we at?

SPEAKER_03: 1:27

Shout out to Frank. Uh we were was it Girani?

SPEAKER_01: 1:31

Was it was it some fan swap stuff?

SPEAKER_03: 1:33

Or was it uh before fan swap? Before fanswap. Yeah, it was before fan swap. Wow, damn, we didn't even like that's a minute. Because think about it, bro. I moved I moved to Manassas in 2017. Okay, yeah, 2017, 2018. Yeah, when I moved there, actually it was Manassas Park first. I moved in with Cadeen, and then I got my own spot. Did we get it an open mic? Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58

Because I was still in Manassas at that time, because I didn't move to Wibris till like 2019. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05

So, like, um it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Wow, yeah. We was at an open mic, I think you was you were performing. Frank, of course, was the host. Frank the host. Yeah, um, shout out to Gironni. Shout out Ken. Shout out Ken, man. Will.

unknown: 2:25

What's Will?

SPEAKER_03: 2:26

Aunt Jackie. Yeah, Aunt Jackie, man. With them cheese sticks. Sweet pearl cheesecakes, man. If y'all don't know, hey, go up to Manassas, Google in Gerani Coffee House. That's it. And that's it. Like, that's all you gotta do. Just Google that, and the cheesecake's gonna be right there in the little bakeries part of the of the section of you know the coffee house.

SPEAKER_00: 2:49

Yo, I feel like I feel like I've I've shouted out sweet pearls on like a couple of podcasts. You got to, man. You brought it up because that's wild.

SPEAKER_03: 2:57

You got to, bro. That drink changed, bro. I love cheesecake. I'm a dessert guy. So like um, when I had sweet pearls, bro, I was like, oh my God. And it wasn't just no typical cheesecake. It wasn't, you know what I'm saying? It was different type of varieties of it. And it was like, bro, the cheesecake was was plentiful.

SPEAKER_01: 3:16

Bro, I'm not a sweet dude like that, but anything apple, I rock with. She had the apple caramel joint. Crack.

SPEAKER_00: 3:27

Crack.

SPEAKER_01: 3:28

Wow. I said, yo, this don't taste better than juniors cheesecake. That's the only thing. I said, I said, no, I said, you got juniors out the way. Yeah, juniors be getting people out the way. Yeah. Woo!

SPEAKER_03: 3:38

But juniors ain't messing with sweet pearls. It ain't messing with sweet pearls. I'm sorry. It ain't messing with Cheesecake Factory either. But sweet pearls. Sweet pearls is. Sweet pearls giving Cheesecake Factory a run. For real. Because that's that's one of the best, the best out. Um outside of uh Gironde, bro, and how we met, what what um tell the people about yourself, man? Because I know.

SPEAKER_01: 4:00

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03: 4:01

But I want you to to, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 4:02

Man, um, shoot, man. I've been man, I what's funny is we're talking about Girani. Girani is like the first place I started doing like my own music. Like I I would like kind of hype, man, one of my boys, uh Shaw de Brove, who was doing like rap. Actually, at the time, he had transitioned from doing uh just regular hip hop to like Christian rap. And so I was just supporting everything he was doing from going to Atlanta, meeting people, doing that was you know, pushing magazines and pushing content. And yeah, um, I want to say them people was what was they? It don't matter what their name was, but they was going crazy in the Christian hip-hop world. And um, and then like we was doing different places. Um, we did a venue with Todd Tribbit, met Tri Chip at one of them. Um, but I was just like helping him out pretty much putting something together. And then um Kim was like, bro, you should start doing your own stuff, man. I heard you do a little bit. Say, bro, I don't know, man. I ain't I don't really I don't sing like that because I know singers, you know, like real singers. Exactly. Like I can hear music, I can hold a note, but uh and I I felt like bro Veg raps. Like I ain't really a rapper, but I just make music, bro. I just feel like I just feel like I'm an instrument on the beats. So I just started doing it and um did an open mic, a couple open mics, little covers. Uh I remember I did a cover for uh Girani, and it was like fold and clothes, and J. Cole just dropped fold and clothes. Yeah, I did a fold and clothes cover and did my own lyrics, and that joint went crazy. I just started dropping songs on SoundCloud every Friday for like two weeks straight. Like, no, like two months? Yeah, about two months straight. And I would test the joints out by Go ahead and say it, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 5:47

Yo, go ahead and say it.

SPEAKER_01: 5:48

I would give roads so I used to work at DMV, right? And I would do road tests. And you know, if you feel like the person could drive, you're like, all right, I really gotta test you. Like, you good. You just you know had the DUI, you had something that like you just retesting. Right. So I just play some music, I'm like, yo, who this? I'm like, no, that's that's my job. I just dropped it this morning. So every Saturday morning, I would just do that job. Oh, smart. And that joint built my little SoundCloud up a little bit. Yeah, and people would ask where you'd be. I'm like, Yeah, I'll go to Gerani. So Girani just became a spot that we used to open like that, and it was a good training ground for like performances and stuff for real.

SPEAKER_03: 6:21

Yeah, man. Um that's that's pretty dope. Because I mean, why not add your music to what you got going on at work? And DMV means Department of Motor Vehicles. Oh, yeah, yeah. For that, for y'all, for y'all that's like. For y'all that don't know, because I was one of the ones that didn't know what DMV meant. I thought it was, you know. I didn't know what it was, because they're like, yo, that's when you go get your license and stuff. I'm like, ours is called the Secretary of the State. Don't ask why, Michigan. No, that's a little different. It's different, but you know, um, and and then now in Maryland it's called the MVA. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's it's different no matter what state you go to, but that's super dope that you even like thought of that. You know what I mean? Be creative to just get your music out there to test the people's ears without going in front of like a big audience or or or a girani audience, because Girani audience is more um, how can you say it? It's it's it's a it's a vibe. It's a it's a chill vibe. It's just certain vibe. Yeah, unless they throwing like a concert, then it'll be a whole bunch of people in there.

SPEAKER_01: 7:23

But you know, not for nothing. That's what kind of got me into saying I'm just gonna do, like, that's what got me into doing like more like live music. So you you know, like if I do a show most times, I'm not using tracks. I like live music because I'm a musician anyway. I play keys, like grew up playing with the church. Like, you know, my family's all musicians. So like for me, I'm just like, man, I need something live. And that setting, I tried to do a hype song one time in there.

unknown: 7:50

Didn't know what happened.

SPEAKER_01: 7:51

The thing is, it goes. Like, if you go to like one of them joints and somebody invites you, hey yo, perform at my junk. I got this junk going on at my spot, it goes crazy, right? Girani, you had to figure out what this room is is really about to feel right now. So that got me better with song selection and curating that. You gotta learn from everything, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 8:10

Yeah, it's like you said, it's it's definitely the ground, the groundwork. Girani is definitely the groundwork for you to get anywhere when it comes to music. And now that you spoke about that, let's touch on that that part of uh you being a musician, bro, because a lot of people don't know it. You know what I'm saying? Like when I met you, we linked up, and next thing you know, we was at the we was at your crib. Yeah, make it beat. You pulled the keyboard out, I had the beat machine, I had the laptop. Because I didn't know you was into the drums like that either. I said, what? Oh yeah, yeah. So yeah, talk about it, man. Like, yeah, man. Where did the where did the the creativity from music come start? Like, where did it start at?

SPEAKER_01: 8:50

Like, yeah, if you go to like a Thanksgiving from my family, you'll have, you know, uh a couple people singing, a couple people, you have a bass, a guitar, somebody on a saxophone, like everybody just do something. Right. I just happen to have an ear to hear all of that at the same time. So it got me into like production. You know, I don't do as much production like only me. I'm more like collab produce now. You know what I'm saying? But like it, like I know what I'm trying to hear from every instrument. So, like, between that and having singers, like, I just have an ear. I could like teach somebody how to sing a song. Yeah. So I can get anybody to do anything on the track that I need, but I know my weaknesses, bro. So like I don't I don't try to overdo it. Like, even the first time I tried to sing a record on a record, I was nervous in the mud, bro. So I was like, I don't really sing, but I could hit this little faucet on this show. Yeah. I did a song called All on my first project, and the ladies liked it. I said, Oh, snap, this might be a little bit. So, you know, fast forward. I got a whole lot more singing on this new joint.

SPEAKER_03: 9:53

Yeah, and so you you you never like went to school and learned how to play music, you just learned from the family.

SPEAKER_01: 10:00

Pretty much, bro. I so I went, I was going to a church, and the the guy that played the keys, he was like a minister, but he was in the military. So he got stationed out in like Houston or San Antonio or something. So it was just a void. I just started playing, picking up on it on Sundays, and my mom happened to have a keyboard like at the house, but she knows she wasn't really playing it. My mom was just she just had it. So I started messing around, and just whatever I heard them sing, I would just find out where they was what they was doing and just start playing it. So, like, I mean, I've I know I wasn't good at first, but like it was just like I had training ground to do it and just taught myself how to do it. So me and this dude, Gary, we both was playing keys, which he's crazy. Like he's one of them, like he used to study YouTube every night. Like, how's he doing that? How's he doing that? I only just listen. Right. And I that's like it worked out, it's a reason why, but you know, if I can go back to that, I would have gone to school or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 10:57

I said I said, hey, listen, bro, I said that all the time. Like, if if I could like, well, you know, I I did go to school, a performing art school. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know how to read drums, read music, read the notes, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? But if I could go back, I would have played in the band in high school. You know what I'm saying? That's Bill Smith. Um, and man, even just learning that alone, uh the drums never left. So like that's why I always tell people like if I can't get a melody right then and there, should I hit you up? I hit S up, I hit somebody up.

SPEAKER_05: 11:30

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 11:31

And and and I uh create create it from there. And then now, you know, you got so many outlets that you can go to. You got a lot of packages. You know what I mean? Everybody I used to buy packs from like producers, uh-huh, and now I just can go on splice and all of the other uh make my own now. You know what I'm saying? And then, you know, I'm big on the sampling too, so yeah, you know, that's that's always been a thing. But you um you started in a church playing, well, started at the house. Yeah, really. You know what I mean? Thanksgiving and just playing, then you you you honed in on your craft in church. Yeah, yeah. What what got you to this level now?

SPEAKER_01: 12:11

Um I realized that um I enjoy writing. Like I always enjoy writing. Yeah. And um, but I feel like I was like I wrote like poetry, but I wouldn't like share it. I just would write some bars, whatever, and do it like that. Remember back in the day, like everybody freestyle. Right. You know what I'm saying? Back in the day, everybody'd be outside at the football game or whatever the case wouldn't be in high school or whatever, you wasn't playing football, you was running around trying to talk to the girls from their way team or the home team, yeah, or whoever you couldn't get in school, and then you would go behind the bleachers and start rapping, and everybody would just be rapping, and the older heads are smoking or whatever, they just be rapping. So, fast forward, like anytime you was outside with a group of poop dudes, like you y'all was just rapping. And it wasn't nobody really good, everybody was just rapping. But it got me into like getting used to it and the patterns, um, stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, between that, starting to write, and uh when I did that exercise with Sound Club, I was doing every week, I would write the song on Sunday night, and then I would go to the studio with Zoe on like Tuesday. Yeah. On Friday, we would mix it, and Saturday I put it out. So it was like making me learn how to write faster and close out songs instead of just like having like bro, you can see I got a songbook right now. It's got at least like 340 songs. I ain't finished 340 songs, but it's just a whole bunch of starter stuff. But if you ain't got no discipline and just close out something, you just have a whole bunch of thoughts and stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 13:44

So, but sometimes those thoughts can you can always go back to them passion when you get a new idea. Because that's how it is with me for creating beats. Like, I like create something, I'd be like, I don't know how I feel about it. Instead of deleting it, I just get back to it. And it it might not be the next day, it'd be months, years, like like this new album. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, some of them beats like two, two, three years old. One is one is like Voices in My Head by Namari. Shout out the bangers. Um, that joint, I did a beat competition in um maybe like 2019, 2020, and I used that beat and I won a competition. It was like a it was like an uh online thing with my homies. Um uh who was it? Who was a competition? It was Noelle, it was Noe and her pops. And they was two producers. Okay. They two produ they was code, they code. Like they when it comes to like man, when it comes to like sampling, yeah, they they dope. Um yeah, her dad, her dad is is super dope, man. And um they had a competition and I I won it, and I don't know if I won like a plug-in or something, uh-huh, but I sent it to Namari, and he was like, Oh, he was like, bro, send me the stems. Okay. So as soon as he said that, yeah, I already knew he was about to take that drink to a whole nother way. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Texas 2. And he flipped the whole joint from what I flipped, like you know what I'm saying? And I was like, oh, this joint crazy. Dang. So um, yeah, man, I think that that just in general, man, just having that that air for things, you know, you can you can just create and create and create and come back to it, create again. Uh-huh. So yeah, that's that's that's one of the ones, man. You you gotta have in your arsenal when you create.

SPEAKER_01: 15:41

Don't nothing's trash, you know. Nothing, nothing's trash, but yeah, because it's almost good to be a hoarder when you're a musician, because at least you got stuff in the tug, whatever, bro. Or like if somebody just ran like need a verse, you can at least get a start. Like, I got two bars somewhere that can get me going. Yeah, you go gone. But I'll go back to your question, though. The original question, like, I think what really got me going for real in the music was one of my brothers. Um, not like I'm an only child, but my my biological, um, so I don't have no biological brothers, but he was like a little brother to me, right? He um was a fire poet. Like, bruh, he passed away in a car accident. He was probably like 22, I want to say, 23. One of them. Um, and shout out to uh Joe Memorial Fund, too. Because they uh we got we do a lot of stuff with them. They actually just had an event down in North Carolina this past weekend. Um, and they just shout out like and just like give scholarships to like up and coming musicians and stuff like that, and like performer arts people. And they do it, do a lot, man. Shout out to them. But um, he passed away in a car accident, and um while they were building Girani. So like I had yo, I was like, yo, come down here, stay with me, and this junk get poppin', bro. You're gonna be out of here, right? Yeah. Nobody even knew he could sing for real, except for me and like two other people. But this dude sang like Michael Jackson type, like he just hit different stuff that like only certain people hit notes like this. Right. So he but nobody knew he sung, but people knew he was a fire spoken word artist and like super introvert, so he ain't come alive until he walked on stage like one of them.

SPEAKER_03: 17:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 17:21

Um he went crazy and he passed away, but I feel like was prematurely. I mean, only God knows, but I feel like when Geronni opened, I was like, I'm not about to let whatever I got in me go to waste. I might think it's not fire, but let's see, let's see what's up. Yeah, and I started putting music out and people started rocking with it.

SPEAKER_03: 17:43

So and and um with that, the music, the music never dies. Yeah. That's one thing. Like I I I had got into a uh you know what I'm saying, where I ain't want to do no music no more. You know what I'm saying? Loyalty, loyalty wasn't there. Um, you you lose you lose friends, yeah, you lose family members, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, loyal blood, blood and non-blood family members. And and um I just didn't want to do music no more. But it's like music kept me going in the worst times. That's all you got. When I was in Iraq, bro, like me and Kaden, bro, we was uh sharing music, and and and hey bro, you heard this dude. Hey, double XL said Gucci the next one up. Yeah, double XL said Jeezy the next one up. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05: 18:35

So you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 18:36

When you when all you have sometimes is just music when everything else hit the fan, yeah. It's like music never goes away. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01: 18:45

It's it's crazy, man. I was gonna I'm shooting we we we in here now. Now now we really in here, but the um you remember the rehab album I put out during the pandemic? Yep. So them hats was fire too. Oh man, appreciate it. But somebody asked about one on Saturday, man. That's on my list.

SPEAKER_03: 19:04

Them was the best merch joints you had. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_01: 19:06

Them jumps was, I'm not gonna lie, like I like the truckers just because I was trying to do something different, but those rehab joints.

SPEAKER_03: 19:11

Yeah, them distress joints.

SPEAKER_01: 19:13

Yeah, them joints was vest, and because they was all customized, like everybody had a one-on-one. It was fire, bro. Um, but yeah, that era, like before that, um, I was in um, I had got a job, like maybe I had got an IT anyway. And so like I had got like one of the best jobs I ever had. I'm at a company happy hour. Bro, they're like, hey, anybody need an Uber? You know, they joke about like the white people be like, oh anybody got an Uber? I'll call an Uber. But they had it. They was like, yo, yeah, blah, blah. Like, if y'all need an Uber, we can get Uber y'all back, leak your cars in the garage. I get a text message and just go. You know how your brain just being on autopilot? Yeah. Like they was legit about to come back down and order Ubers, and I get a text, and my brain just forget about it and just go get to my car. Get my car, drive out. I'm at the light. Andre, I'm just working on Arnold at the time, so I'm not used to like pedestrians just walking whenever they, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't used to that whole like thing. The lights green, normally you just go. Yeah. I'm looking at my ways. I put the ways in, like, all right, let me figure out where to go. Number one, don't ever drink and drive it. I should just chill anyway. But I make the left. I look up, oh, hit the brakes, boom, bump a lady in the crosswalk. Mind you, the lady, she wasn't really hurt. Yeah. But whoever was around her was like, hey, stay down, stay down, stay down. They was all wine drunk or something like that. Anyway, I go through this big thing. Um, end up having to go to Allens County Station, blah blah. They hold me overnight. I'm thinking, yo, I lost my job. Everything done for it, right? Um fast forward, luckily, like the owner and everything was looking out for me. He was fighting for me, whatever. He even wrote a letter when I was like actually have my court trial. Yeah. Um speed that up. Ended up having to do two weeks in jail for it because they ended up making it like DUI, but it could have been like DUI maiming, which is like a felony. So they brought it down, but it still was like, this is a little excessive, right? Right. So I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Alls and County for like two weeks, just like tripping. And I started just writing a couple of songs in my head. I wrote like 9 o'clock somewhere, I wrote Son of Man, and I wrote like a lot of introspective songs because I just had time. Right. So I was going to go to the gym, eating, betting on games, trying to exchange some snacks. It wasn't doing nothing. Right. So I I but it got me into that rehab album, which is like, it wasn't a dark album, but it was just like it had a lot of introspective on it. And it pushed me to like a different level of artistry. And it was like, that kind of boosted me into going like to that whole space where those songs could come out, bro. I think I think you was gonna come to I had a listening prize for the album release party. Yeah, the same day that uh Trump had that thing. So the Trump had the whatever all the MAGA people came out and started storming the Capitol, right? That happened that day, bro. I had to just move my jump to my house.

SPEAKER_03: 22:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy. I remember that.

SPEAKER_01: 22:17

I remember that. But um, but that that kind of sparked like the next level of like, yeah, yeah, I feel like I can make albums now.

SPEAKER_03: 22:25

And you said it, you said it in the um don't drink and drive. And you know, like you said, the brain goes in autopilot. So yeah. Um, there's been plenty of times, man, I I try to be the DD. Um or you know what I'm saying? I know for sh for a fact, like somebody about to be blitzed. Yeah. You know what I mean? So um it's always, you know what I mean? I try to think and think about everybody that's around me too. Right. So like with you not having nobody around you at that time, well, you did. You had your your company that was trying to put in Ubers. Right. What do you think? Um, what do you think you should have driently? I mean, I know the obvious answer.

SPEAKER_01: 23:07

You know what's crazy? I I just drunk too much too fast. Yo, like drinking. Yeah, mind you, like, you know, the the owner in the company is like everything's on the house. So, you know, when it's just like on the house and you ain't even counting the dial, you just like whoever's if you like, hey, you taking a round, all right. Bet. So if four people say we doing a round in 45 minutes, while you drinking margaritas, yeah, yeah, you you blitzed. You hit it because it hits you so fast, you don't even realize how litch you are until y'all about to live in you like, oh snap. Yeah, yeah. It's a little different. Um, but I have noticed like this past this past weekend. I used to Plano and Friends. Plano and Friends is like that. Shout out to my homegirl Joe. Shout out to Jojo Friends, shout out to all y'all. And the homies. Yeah, I'm not gonna name some of y'all because then somebody's gonna be mad. But but uh no comment. Yeah, but yo, that night, that day, I was like, yo, I'm gonna I'ma drink responsibly tonight because last time I came to that JoJo party, I just got a little lit, right? Too much lit. So I said, all right, I chat GPT'd, bro. Shout out to Chat GPT. I said, yo, how do I have a good time tonight, but don't get drunk? What'd it say? If anybody noticed that night, I had a cup in my hand the whole time. Yeah. And I had poured champagne in it. It didn't say champagne, but it was like, yo, anytime everybody trying to take a shot, just don't take the shot every time. Just you got a cup in your hand, you can just like use it as a crutch. I poured a shot at tequila in my champagne and had like two of those and drunk that for like the first three hours of the party. Oh, you good? So I was cool. So when it was like shot, I was like, all right, I'll take a shot now because I'm cool. Yeah. But you just you go in that joint and start going crazy, it's over with. But Chat GP tells you say, keep eating. It says keep eating. Make sure you before you go to sleep, eat something again so you don't have a hangover. Eat before you get there, eat that. I mean, they had some good food in that joint, bro. If you ain't eat at that party, you was wilding. Wildin. They had the pot seafood pasta on day, the yams, the ribs, the curry chicken, the uh jerk, the jerk chicken.

SPEAKER_03: 25:19

I just asked her that jerk chicken yesterday. Yes, yes. No, I had leftovers. Bro, you gotta have the leftovers.

SPEAKER_04: 25:24

Woo!

SPEAKER_03: 25:25

Yeah, man. So you pretty much you say drink responsibly. Drink responsibility, and have somebody too.

SPEAKER_01: 25:31

Have like like somebody like this. I'd like, yo, tweez. Yeah, make sure, you know what I'm saying? If you see me drink a little bit more, tell me you can show now, type stuff. Because you know, also like people start stuff, man. So like you want to be sober-minded when things are going on. That's what I wanted to do, man. Just make sure I came in there and mingle, have fun, get home, go to sleep. Yeah, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03: 25:51

And do it again. Yeah, yeah. That's that's the most important part, man. So people out there, you know what I'm saying? Drink responsibly. Yeah. Drink in moderation, as one of my first sergeants used to say. Drink in moderation. Um, just, you know what I mean? Stay out the way when it comes to like, don't be mixing the drinks either. Nah, you gotta you out for the champagne and well, here's the thing the champagne and tequila.

SPEAKER_01: 26:18

It would that I wouldn't suggest that so much, but it was a zipper though. Like it was a zipper, so I wasn't just throwing shots back. And I don't like mixed drinks like that.

SPEAKER_03: 26:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 26:30

So for me, like the tequila was almost seltzering it out a little bit. I mean, not the tequila, the uh the champagne, the champagne, but it but it made me not feel like I needed to take shots.

SPEAKER_03: 26:39

But that's almost like a French 75 then.

SPEAKER_01: 26:42

It kind of is. It kind of is like that. But it's a drink. I'm not a drink person, right? So I don't usually make drinks. That's why I like have you ever seen me at a party before, like you're like, I'm throwing the shots back. Like, all right, I'm cool. Because my tolerance is not a good thing, but like it's pretty high. So like I don't really like notice it until it's like too far. But you know, thank God for just different structures in life now. Yeah, man, yeah, discipline, man, trying to do things different, man.

SPEAKER_02: 27:08

When you, you know, I'm uh I'm I'm past 35 now. So once you get to your mid-30s, it's like it's different.

SPEAKER_01: 27:17

You got us, and and now I got a son.

SPEAKER_03: 27:19

Yeah, I got a four.

SPEAKER_01: 27:20

That's why you're gonna get on too. I got a four-year-old, and I I live to make sure this man is probably why I'm what made me complete my new album is because of him. Like, I don't want him to grow up not doing what he needs to do. Whatever's in your heart to do, bruh, do it. And I can't teach him follow your heart and all that other stuff that we be saying to kids unless you actually doing it, yeah, too. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be you gotta be a direct representation for your youngest. You know what I'm saying? Yes, I guess kids think you Spider-Man, as far as they're concerned, like you a superhero, so it's like I'm gonna do what I gotta do to make sure you good.

SPEAKER_03: 27:55

Yeah, boys and girls, man, because it's the same, it's the same all around. It's the same, man. That's good, man. So how how how is fatherhood?

SPEAKER_01: 28:05

Funny thing about it is when I dropped the rehab album, my son was he had been conceived, so he wasn't here yet, but he was on the way. I think we had to talk about that, too. It was it was interesting, man. Uh I said, huh? It was a lot going on around that time, man. That's this that's that's the crazy part. That when you got a question, it's like, yo, bro, you you was out here. But uh, it was a time, man. Like that time was like that little DUI thing, went just DUI to me. To me, it's like it sent me to like some type of depression, or I was on the way to it before it happened.

SPEAKER_03: 28:47

Yeah, you know, it was like one of them where it was like, it was like, it got a little dark just because like on that last turn before it got like real dark.

SPEAKER_01: 28:56

Yeah, and honestly, it was worse before I went to jail than after because I didn't know what was gonna happen before I went to court. Right. I just knew I just got this, I got this, I'm good, I'm gonna lose this, this, this. What's about to happen? And I'm just like, Dag, yo, every time you say, you know, that thought, you gotta take one step forward. It was so much of those thoughts. Yeah, like it just like I was in my head, bro. And then like I have been using like liquor as advice. Then you're not doing that because you on all these programs and stuff, so you gotta figure this out. Like, oh, I can't do this, I can't do this. And then like I finally then I I ended up going through a breakup around the same time. Like, what is before the baby part? I went through a breakup, so it was like there's a lot going on. So I got I was clean, I wasn't doing nothing. So I was a little hookah, that's it. That's all I could really could do it. Then fall come, we start running, like doing some fan swap stuff. I started getting outside, it was cool like just to be active again. Yeah, and then I started being outside a little bit. Started open up a little bit. Yeah, and it was another vice that came. Yeah. So, but then that's how my son got here. And um, you know, he's he's great. He's amazing, man. He he he definitely is a special kid, man. This dude, he has like a different type of joy, he brings peace, like he got me understanding love. For real, like unconditional love, man. He got me treating people better in general, just because like I'm a never like a you know a jerk for real. But still, like you just have different respects when when you got to deal with a child and all that, and he's been a blessing, man. So like that that kind of that's when like the new bruh, situationships has been a thought since before rehab. I've had it right in my head, bro. It's been like a thought, bro. You got I got songs from 2020, 2022, last year, this year. It's a stretch. And I'm looking like these songs, some of these songs is oh, but they still, they're still ready. So I'm like, we're gonna do it. We're gonna throw everything on this joint, bro, and make it happen. But like that time from like rehab to now, you know, that's when I was just like trying to figure stuff out, yeah, trying to figure out dating, trying to figure out if I can make it work with my ex who I had broke up with before the baby. That don't really work when like somebody getting back with you and they knew you before the baby. Now afterwards, they gotta be stepmom. Yeah. And y'all don't have a child. Like, that's a whole different mentality. So yeah, yeah, bro. So when I say it's some content on this junk, people are gonna relate, not just me, but men, women, everybody. I feel like that's been through that stage where it's like you just try to figure it out. Yeah. And you realize, like, oh, it's like it's it's vice. Like people use people as vices, bro. And that's what like the project is about. Ain't even really like a I'm glorifying situationships, because I'm I'm kind of past, not kind of, I'm past that that mind frame now, but it's still like that's what we can use as a crutch, you know what I'm saying? So trying to let people know it ain't the way to go. So this album, yeah, my fault, Miss Jones. You good, you good vibrate. This album, situationships, yeah, man. I'm that's what it was, and then I'm thinking, I've been between situationships stereotypes. I think it's gonna be situationships. Yeah, you gotta stick with situations. That's that's more marketable. That's and that's what it's been. Yeah, I already got the merch. Yeah, yeah, but situationships, man. That's it, man. Situation ships, just so y'all know though. I was saying it before them was saying it on Instagram.

SPEAKER_03: 32:40

So, who you all got on this joint?

SPEAKER_01: 32:42

Is it just all you? Man, it's not that many features. Um, there's a pro there's a song that me and Bootsu had that was supposed to be on his project like years ago. It's on there because it just fits. Shout out to Boo Tu. Yeah, shout out to that dude. One of the coders that come out of Manassas, bro. One of the codes. Oh, bro. The fact that I only have two features on the whole project, it's 15 songs. Yeah. He's on two of them. And you did you produce everything or nah? Some stuff we did, um, some stuff, um, other people. Um it's only three feet, three features. My man Jordan, um, shout out to him. Um he's my high school, no college roommate. So man. Um, and yeah, Butu. Boo Tu. We got Rain. We put it out. I had a whole listening party for rain. Um, he was he there?

SPEAKER_03: 33:35

I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01: 33:35

You wasn't there. We talked about it.

SPEAKER_03: 33:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 33:37

Um S came up because Squire, Squire's beat. Yeah, he came up. Uh, shout out to him. That's one of them. That's old. Yes. That beat was from 2021 when I first got that beat. It had to be. It was 2021, 22, because I was making something else, and he just sent like a two-pack, and I'm just like looking like this.

SPEAKER_02: 33:58

And then I'm like, Dun, dun, dun, dun, down, down, dun, dun.

SPEAKER_01: 34:02

And I'm like, nah, nah, nah, baby. And I started, I remember I remember right writing that job. I was at my kitchen table. Yeah. Then I was like, yo, I need like a RB, like Jamie Foxx type hook for that jump. And then that's why the hook is like a whole contrast to the verses, but yeah, man. Okay. But yes, it's 15 records on it, man. When are you dropping it? I'm looking at November. Was it 21st? It's either the week, the Friday before Thanksgiving or a Black Friday. Okay. I'm still gonna make a fourth with it. But everything going up, going up, uploaded November 1st, man. So I meant to play you. I'm gonna play something before you leave.

SPEAKER_03: 34:37

Bet, bet, bet. Yeah, yeah, bro. We got we got to get some stuff on the board.

SPEAKER_01: 34:41

Yeah, we way past dude.

SPEAKER_03: 34:42

Yeah, we way past that joint that we did for for Kim.

SPEAKER_01: 34:45

Kim, that joint's smooth. That joint was smooth. And and he looking for like a two, three pack to put out.

SPEAKER_03: 34:52

He need to put that out, bro. Cause we we worked on that in what 2021. It was COVID.

SPEAKER_01: 34:58

That was at the that was in Youston. Yeah, y'all was at the other studio.

SPEAKER_03: 35:00

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he got drop that, man. Shout out to Kim, man.

SPEAKER_01: 35:05

That was we had a couple good sessions in there, man. I remember trying trying to tell Ken how to say some stuff a little younger. You know, you had that old yeah, that but that old school vibe is in. I like it. It's in.

SPEAKER_03: 35:16

I like it. It's in, bro. And he got he got the voice for it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he definitely got the voice for it. But uh looking forward to that too, man. Maybe we can drop that. Drop that soon. Maybe, maybe drop that for like Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_01: 35:29

That could be smooth. You know what I mean? He needs something like that, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 35:32

Yeah, drop drop something for like Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_01: 35:34

I gotta go back and look at that. That joke was fire.

SPEAKER_03: 35:36

Crazy, bro. And and and he cooked. And you know what's crazy? Like, that was one of the sessions I would say I didn't mind the re the revising of it.

SPEAKER_01: 35:46

We kept revising and revising and revising and revising and revising. But we kept getting closer to where we were trying to go.

SPEAKER_04: 35:52

We was getting closer, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 35:54

Because when we had, I'm like, all right, this the beat. And then I was like, nah, we gotta fix something. Then you was like, I'm gonna add something there. And then we was like, it just kept going back and forth. And then Kid was like, I want to hear this. Yeah, I want to hear that. And it was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 36:06

But you know what it is? He probably got demo itis too, because whatever he heard when he first was like, Oh, I can do this. Yeah, you know, when you get loved in love with something and something sweet, you like, yo, I don't know how I feel about it no more. I mean, I've done it to a lot of music, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 36:20

And that demo itis, that's that's a that's a perfect word. That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it was because it was like he heard it, and then it was like, all right, I need it to sound like this. But you gotta understand when y'all do demos, it's just to give you a bridge to where you're trying to go. Where you're trying to go, or where you can take it. Yeah, you know what I mean? You don't have to sing it directly like that. You just, you know what I mean, just take your parts that you like of it and turn it into your own. Yeah, and that's what that's what songwriting is, you know what I'm saying? That's what it is. A songwriter can can they sing the hell out of the song, and you just gotta do it how they want you to do it sometimes, most of the time. And then add, excuse me, add your own little spill on it. You know what I mean? Add your own little twist to it. Cause that's that's what it is, man. It's right.

SPEAKER_01: 37:14

That's what got me into. Have you paid attention to what I've been doing on Instagram like the past few weeks?

SPEAKER_03: 37:18

What you doing? So with the uh the with the uh content, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 37:23

So these are all stuff. I was supposed to talk about mixtape before situation. I was supposed to talk about mixtape. That's called stereotypes, right? And he's putting out different songs, and so, but all the mixtape sites that we used to use, they either not popping at all, they're gone, they janky, somebody else got their URL or whatever, and so it ain't you can't really upload. So I said, yo, I'm not gonna waste these songs.

SPEAKER_03: 37:47

Spotify or or or Apple Music or the other streaming platforms got some of them. Oh, that's what happened. Yeah, because like some of the old Wayne joints on there, uh, and some of the old, and we're gonna touch on that, but I'm gonna let you finish.

SPEAKER_01: 38:01

They bought them out, yeah. But yeah, so like I I'd been trying, like when you talked about like making stuff your own. It was like me just sharpening my pen to finish the project, right? Because I had writers, but I know, but I'm hearing stuff like the overjoint that's it, maybe maybe that that overjoint, uh, the not a chill guy joint. That's a compelling grade. I don't know what color they grade with that original song. Yeah, it's nowhere now. I said, Don't don't get me the song. Right. Because it ain't nowhere now. I've been looking for, I said, bro, that not a chill guy joint. He did that, and I just changed it. Yeah, but like that's what that's how I started writing anyway, just remixing everybody's stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 38:38

Yeah, and I think for that, bro, like now that you say that that Capella Great joint gone, Capella Great fire. That dude is crazy. Fire. Um, me, me and my bro P, we was on the way to the to the party Saturday, and we we always talking back and forth about music. And I was like, bro, you know what favorite Wiz joint of mine? Mixtape. What's your favorite mixtape?

SPEAKER_01: 39:03

From Wiz? Yeah. I don't know if I got a favorite from Wiz, man. I love Wiz. My cousin's name Chris went into him. Love Wiz, Wiz. Like, he's like, that's him. Me, I just rock with Wiz, but I don't have a favorite mixtape from him.

SPEAKER_03: 39:16

See, man, mixtapes, mixtapes, I would say for me, mixtapes catapulted my my train of ear listening because I was listening to everybody. And that's what's dope about being in the Marines, bro. I had homies from all over.

SPEAKER_01: 39:32

You know, one of the best mixtapes, uh, mixtape catalogs? Who Gucci? Oh, yeah. Facts, facts. I was not rocking with Gucci at all going to going because you know I went to Virginia State College. Up here, I was I was I was rocking with Jeezy. I'm you know, my family from New York. Like, I'm I always like relate to people that, and Jeezy not from New York, but his style was more like sit, man. Gucci, this dude, Mike, bro, from Gucci. This dude used to like, he's from the foot on the football team. This dude had at least four Gucci mixtapes I had never heard. We hanging out chilling, and he just playing. I'm like, yo, Gucci, I now I know why they rock with Gucci like that. Gucci is.

SPEAKER_03: 40:16

Gucci is definitely a it's a line of Guy. Gucci different, bro. Shout out to Gucci, right? He's different. But yeah, so with Whiz, uh huh, what made me made me think about it is because I had homies from Pittsburgh. I had homies from from Youngstown, and that's right down the street from Pittsburgh. And then like I always wanted to hear somebody new. Yeah, so I ended up finding out about Wiz through, I think he was on a Big Sean joint, and you know Big Sean from home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my favorite album, my favorite mixtape from him was Cabin Fever. He had the song on there.

SPEAKER_01: 40:47

Oh no, I remember Cabin Fever. Yeah, so what song do you want to? Yeah, the first joint.

SPEAKER_03: 40:51

That junk. Listen, it's you can't find it no more. What? His mixtape on a it's it's on Apple, but it's a remake, it's not the original joint. Me and me and P had to go on on YouTube to find it, bro. Yeah, but then I get paid, my checks be like phone numbers. Yeah, that's my joint, bro. That was probably one of my favorite jokes from Hammi's. Oh, Hambix. All on one crazy on that. I'm like crazy, bro. What a song get? But like you said, a lot of the music, I don't know if it's like a producer issue or a songwriting issue or whoever issue it is, like, they need to bring that back out, bro. But that's how you say it, like with Capella Gray. They're taking stuff off.

SPEAKER_01: 41:32

They're taking stuff off. They rearranging it, bro. You ever go back to an old album that was like one of your favorite albums, and then like the track listing is. It's not the same. It's not the same.

SPEAKER_02: 41:41

Like, bro, number three was not number 11, bro. Number 11 was number three.

SPEAKER_03: 41:46

Yeah, because it was a Gucci joint. Um, I went to, and I was like, this wasn't on this mixtape.

SPEAKER_05: 41:52

Yeah, it wasn't here.

SPEAKER_03: 41:54

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, hold on, what's going on? But yeah, I've been noticing that a lot, man. I don't know what's going on in the industry, bro. But um, how you how you feel about it right now? Like, how do you feel about the atmosphere right now?

SPEAKER_01: 42:06

Uh for a while I hated it. I thought it, I thought it was a, I mean, even now, like I don't listen to a lot of rappers. Yeah, I don't listen to a lot of art, I don't listen to a whole lot, but I listen to like music or like a beat or something that I like, whether it could be a song that's out, yeah, but I'm mainly listening to the production, what it sounds like, what I can do on it. So it's easy, I think it could be lyrics and I just write over it, rate my own cadence, right? Because I don't really listen to what they doing. I think it's a lot of it's polluted, bro. Like it's a lot of stuff underground or like a lot of stuff that like you gotta catch and find. Yeah, but as far as what they pushing and promoting, the mainstream is as toxic as the news cycle.

SPEAKER_03: 42:49

Yeah, I totally agree with that, man. But that's why it's like for me, man. That's why I'm just still pushing out music, still pushing out music. You just dropped, didn't you? Yeah, I just dropped uh Big Ten, man. Shout out to everybody on that album, bruh. Like, people always ask me, What's your favorite album? And I'd be like, shit, next one. The next one. What's your favorite song? The next one.

SPEAKER_01: 43:09

But this one, Big Ten, Big Ten, it's it's up there. Okay, see now I got, I mean, because remember when you sent it, you know, you had the pre-save, but it wasn't out. So now, okay. Yeah, and I use Untitled.

SPEAKER_03: 43:21

So Untitled, bro. Like, I was working on this album. Shout out to DMA, man. Uh he um he from he from Manassas area. He cold, bro, youngin, young and cold. And the way he flow, I'm like, yeah, I gotta get that type of flow on my on my um on my tape. Cause I heard some music from him. You know what I'm saying? We was at um, where was he at? We was at oh, we was at O Studio. Okay. Oh seven, what is it? I think it's seven studios now. Seven, yeah, yeah. Yeah, rocking them. Yeah, rest in peace, Benz, man.

SPEAKER_01: 43:54

Um man, what?

SPEAKER_03: 43:55

Yeah, so we was there and Benz was there too. That's the last, it was me, Benz, Rock, O, DMA, and uh, I think it was some other cats, but he let me hear his music and his homies, they made beats, and and he let me hear his music. I said, Yeah, like I like this. So I, you know, I stayed in contact with him, um, and boom, he he sent me, I sent him the beat. And on titled, bro, what you can do is you can even put the stems on that joint. It's an app. I can send you, I can send you like so. I already had like a pre pre-album. And I was just telling people, hey, when you when you get done with your song, send it to me, and then I put it onto the app, and then I can send it out so people can hear it and get that, you know what I mean? Feet, I can get feedback from it. You get what I'm saying? Oh, that's and it's it's pretty much the album before the album, so it would be like a beat, nobody took yet, it'll still be on there. Then it'll be like somebody's song, like rough draft, will be on there, and then when I finish mixing it, I'll put it back on there.

SPEAKER_01: 44:52

Oh, we gotta rap more about that.

SPEAKER_03: 44:54

Yeah, so shout out to Untitled, man. Untitled is bruh, it's game changer because you can still collab. We can collab. Yeah, even if if you don't hear from me, the stem's in there. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying? Like you can get get whatever you need out of the stems, put your little mix on that joint, do your thing, put it back into the the album, and then now I can go back and listen to it now. Like I can listen to the revised version, so it's super dope, bro. So, yeah, that that um that album has definitely been one of my my favorite. And shout out to Marcus Allen because I knew it was gonna be Marcus Allen. I knew I I knew it was gonna be, you know, explicit language on there, but I told him, I said, bro, I know you're going the gospel rap. I said, I need you to to to to set the tone for this album. Because I was gonna do a uh I was gonna do I come I'm supposed to do a podcast on this, but I'm gonna break it down. I was gonna do a a prayer, like kind of like DMX. You know how I used to have his prayers, and I was like, nah, I said, you know what? Marcus Allen didn't did enough. I don't even I don't need to do it. Like he he he said everything I needed to say. He got it, yeah. So shout out to Marcus Allen. Um big 10. If you don't have the album, go get it, go subscribe, go, go purchase it, yeah, all of that. But yeah, man, so they got another joint. Um, you heard about Suno?

SPEAKER_01: 46:13

Yeah, I heard about Suno, yeah. Bro, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 46:15

I'm gonna play you some joints, and you're gonna be like, I heard about Suno. Like, what?

SPEAKER_01: 46:20

Like I've heard someone. Who was this singing? Suno's kind of crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 46:24

I put one of my old songs that I had with Newland. Shout out to Newland. I put one of my old songs. Yeah, that's it. Me and S, me and S produced a joint and uploaded it to Suno.

SPEAKER_01: 46:34

And that joint did what with it.

SPEAKER_03: 46:35

That joint crazy dog.

SPEAKER_01: 46:38

And I said, you know what?

SPEAKER_03: 46:40

I'm about to drop me an album with just all Suno shit on there.

SPEAKER_01: 46:43

Yeah, I had a I was thinking about something, um, somebody that um artist that I know, uh, and she's a great person too. Um, she went flew out and to make some music to like get some of her stuff produced and like she was gonna sing or whatever. And the producer was there and was like, hey, this is cool, but let's see what it sounds like with this version, like, oh, this contemporary version. And they put it to whatever, whatever that tool was, yeah, and it changed it to one way, and they did it another one. So she sent me like two, three versions of the same song that she wrote, and I'm like, it don't really sound like you, but I can hear you a little bit. She said, Ain't me. It's whatever. Yeah, a little AI jump. That part to me is scary. That's scary, bro. That part's scary. That's scary. It also gave me an idea. Yeah. So I was like, That's why I was like, it's like I can definitely at least get my writing off. And if I can't find about the voice I'm looking for at the time, yeah, we can make it happen. Because you put your lyrics in there. It's different. You know what it doesn't do, or what it does do, where I think for creatives, you figure out how to create with anything. Like, I don't think that if you really creative, like stuff can just boot you out of here. If you're just a performing artist, you can get booted out of here, I think, pretty quick. Right. But if you're doing more than just going on stage, you gotta use the tools, you gotta figure it out, man. That's why I said I start complaining. I stopped complaining about what's going on and just say, yeah, whatever we put out, make it the purest blue magic we could ever make and make it fire. But I'm never gonna stop having live. I don't care if it's more expensive, I'm gonna have live bands at every show that I do. Yeah, I'll make sure the experience is a certain way.

unknown: 48:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 48:29

Because I don't like water down, man. Can't be running around, jumping around, making y'all jump.

SPEAKER_03: 48:35

That's about the next joint we do, that's gonna be the name of it. Blue magic. Blue magic. It's gotta be crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 48:44

It's gotta be crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 48:45

It's good. That's the name of it. Crazy, bro. Blue Magic. Oh man. You got me hype, man. Gotta get the the pure feeling. You gotta. I mean, don't get me wrong, the song when I play it to you, you would think it was somebody I knew. Like the feeling is there. Because a lot of people say, I don't know if I'm gonna get the feeling from that. I'm like, oh no. They didn't sample people's voices. I know they got the feeling. But at the same time, I still want to have that pure. That that that's like 90%.

SPEAKER_01: 49:17

Yeah. It ain't that hundred. It can't be. You can never really duplicate like what comes from what comes from humans come from God, yeah. You can't never like replicate it. Definitely mass produce some stuff and make it come out quicker and still make some money from it. Right. But you ain't never gonna sound like Shaka Khan, Shaka Khan. It ain't never gonna sound like Anita Baker. It ain't who come on, man. That Luther Van Dross ain't nobody nobody sing like that. Nobody. And that's like I love music, bruh. I will say that. I will say that. But y'all singers, some of y'all um need to learn how to take criticism in the studio. Because I y'all could have been on an album, but some of y'all don't like to listen. Yeah, that's a whole nother subject we can talk about. Some album don't like to say, hey, go back and do this again. They get tired of it, man.

SPEAKER_03: 50:07

Bruh, like I anybody that knows me and know who when I when you work with me, you're gonna go back and do it again. Yeah, like you're gonna, you're going to. I'm not gonna just you should want to go back and do it again. I don't care if if the fire, you you came out crazy with the craziest verse or the craziest song and you sung the shit out of it, do it again. Yeah. Because I want to see you perfect it. And I learned something from Kerry Gordy, me and S. He would, he would, um he would have his artist go in there and sing it three times. He had him sing the verse three times, right? After that third time, he'd say, Hey, you want to go, you want to do it by yourself or you need me to come in there with you? You know what I'm saying? And so like he'd come in there and he'd do it like how his dad, like you know, Barry Gordy did it, you know what I'm saying? And it was like it put a new perspective on how you should be training. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, your the artist to to to to be better. That's good. Because she killed it all three verses.

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Yeah.

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And she was like, come, you can you can come in. And he was like, say it like this. Yeah, this feel like let me feel this.

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It's to feel, bro. That's that's the most important thing. Anybody, y'all know I ain't lying. It's the feel like yo, I but you singing it, but you so you thinking that it gotta sound perfect, but it's missing the substance.

SPEAKER_03: 51:32

It's missing that, like it's missing that pain, it's missing a little bit of happiness.

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You know what I mean?

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It's missing that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:38

Make it feel like what you're talking about. Exactly. Make the song sound happy if it's happy. If it's sad, bruh, make it sound sad, bruh. Yep, yeah. Like, bruh, like I had a song on rehab called Nine O'Clock Somewhere, and I said, like, I can tell the difference in vibes and voices mind and sound. Like, I had to do it like that, because this is a sad song, yo. And if you a singer, bruh, y'all be had y'all have so much potential, but y'all can't record. It's either it'd be like they recording artists or they live artists. Yeah, but to have them do both, yeah, is why I make albums like Situation Shoes. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03: 52:16

I look, I'm looking forward to it. Um 15 songs, bro.

SPEAKER_01: 52:20

My longest project ever, probably the longest I'll ever make.

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But they all gotta be there. Yeah, they all gotta be there. Yeah, I can't wait, man. I can't wait. And um before we get out of here, bro, I always do it. I didn't do it last time, gym class, G-E-M. And then the gym with it. Yeah. What gems you can give give back to uh to the people out there that's doing the same thing you doing on your on your aspect or even trying to get to where you're going. What's some gems you can leave with the people?

SPEAKER_01: 52:51

I got one. Um prioritization, man. Like overextending yourself, people not appreciating what you're doing. Make sure you prioritize what you're doing, yeah. I think that sometimes we like we get let down or we can't keep up with the demands and we let people down. And sometimes you gotta be in a season where you're like, yo, let me just knock out what I gotta do so I can be more available for people, right? Or like maybe like what I'm doing can inspire somebody else that ain't even a part of what's going on. They don't even know about. So I feel like, man, like setting your priorities up, man. Like, people should be here. Hopefully they're gonna be here when it's hopefully you got friends that just know, like, all right, they in the season real quick, lock that in and keep it going. Um another one I would say is leave devices alone, man. I say that, man. I feel like um making yourself like keeping yourself sharp to me is important, yo. And and making sure that you accomplishing what you got to is important, bro. Yeah. Like, it could be simple, bro. Every morning, I'm praying, I'm reading something. At lunchtime, I'm going to the gym. Almost every day.

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Yeah.

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Because at least if I'm checking that stuff off, it's gonna make me want to accomplish more stuff, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 54:11

Right.

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Like, you can be in a funk. A lot of people with a funk right now, because stuff ain't moving fast enough or anxiety and all that stuff, man. But like, get that system down when you just like, I'm doing this, this, this, and you just get used to like getting stuff done, bro. And next thing you know, you know what I'm saying, your whole life is different because six months later, you accomplish a couple things every day. That's it, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 54:36

Stick talking about prioritization, prioritization, man. And get rid of your vices, stay away from the vices, stay away from it, man.

SPEAKER_01: 54:42

Everything this is the Bible says, everything is lawful but not expedient. You don't gotta do everything every day, bro. Chill, you can have your fun, but like focus on the prize, man. So much more out here than what we ain't even experienced yet. Right, right. That's a fact, man. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03: 54:55

Bro, I appreciate you, man. It's been a minute. We should have been got this done. Yeah, right. It's been in the nigga for years. Yeah, yeah. But it, you know, it makes it better, man, because I always tell people, man, it's it's this is why it's relationships worth more than money, bro. We we do this on a daily basis. It's more than music. You know what I mean? It's life. Yeah, it's who you meet around you, the people around you, and what relationships you build, where is it taking you?

SPEAKER_01: 55:23

I gotta say this. So you said it's like, yeah, my best friend from high school self-transitioned last year, right? It changed my whole life, bro. Because you wasn't just, oh, my friend from high school. Like, we moved to Masses Park the same year, sixth grade, middle of sixth grade. End up going to the same college, end up being college roommates, end up graduating, like it just was like, we was locked in, bro. This is like 20 years, 20 something plus years.

SPEAKER_03: 55:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 55:52

And then when you look in the call, somebody, you can't call them because they're not here no more. Because of feeling so much pressure and not communicating. So, like, the title of your podcast is important because men need a relationship too, bro. Like, men need to be able to talk. You don't know what's going on, bro. I feel like men hide stuff very well. And you might not know we're gonna do stuff because we used to just putting our head down, keeping it moving, man. But the reason why I was focusing on like discipline and prioritization, because like I feel like it helped you get out of a rep. You just like, oh, what I'm doing ain't enough. I ain't doing this, bro. Like, we be in our heads, bro. Because we ain't doing, we feel like the bar is here and we trying to reach it, but contentment, man. One thing you asked me at the beginning was like, How you feeling? And I said, Settle, bro. Because I feel like even though there's goals and I'm chasing stuff, like, I'm not stressing about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it gotta happen. Or it ain't, but I feel like it's gonna happen. Yeah, but um, I had to say that, man, because that my boy, that jump like threw me off for like a year, bro. I was done. Like, it's actually been a year in October. So for like the first nine, 10 months, it's weird, bro. Yeah, it's weird, bro. But uh, you learn how to. Ken told me this one thing. Ken said, yo, it's much, it's always gonna be people that's gonna pass away. No matter how it happens, it's gonna be sad, but it should make you want to invest more in the ones that's still alive, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 57:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 57:17

So we're gonna work because that's a fact. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_03: 57:20

Yeah, we gotta invest into each other, man, because you like you said, bro, it's it's a lot of us out here that don't speak, that don't even that don't even talk to each other. You know what I'm saying? Crazy. And that's why I like always check in. We check in every time we see each other. You good? Yeah, man. We might not talk every day, yeah, but bro, you good? Everything's straight. Every time, all right, cool. You know what I mean? How how how's little man? You know what I mean? Yeah, how the girls, how the girls, man, and that's how it has to be, bro, because a lot of times, bro, where we come from, bro, it's not a lot of people out there that actually care. That's true. You get me? So, yeah, like when people actually care for the friends and the and the and the people that they have in their life, it makes it so much better to just be out there to just reach out and touch somebody and just let them know, hey, bro, I'm here with you. You got you gotta do it, bro. A simple check-in. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 58:11

We had a group chat. Well, not me and you, but I was in the group chat with a couple dudes, and we've been in jump for years, but like somebody one day was like, yo, how y'all feeling? One day I said, bro, not that great. And sometimes you gotta say it. Yeah, it wasn't like I was depressed, but I was in the space where like for like a week I just was like, yo, this ain't I'm not I can't fake like I'm feeling good. If I'm not, you ask me, I'm gonna tell you. Yeah, but you gotta have people that you felt you can trust in doing that. But um, be vulnerable enough to say, yo, it ain't all here, yo. So somebody can say, yo, let me go pull up on you. Let's go grab some food or something. Let's just chop it up. Like, people need community, bruh. Cause without that, bro, you come to this society as individualistic and everybody going crazy, bro. That's a fact. I'm done talking, bro. But look, man, like that.

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We gone.

SPEAKER_01: 58:59

We out. What socials? Like, not my my Instagram. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 59:05

No, no, I'm gonna put that on there.

SPEAKER_01: 59:07

Okay, I'm gonna put that on there.

SPEAKER_03: 59:08

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SPEAKER_01: 59:23

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SPEAKER_03: 59:28

Follow that because every week I'm trying to drop another episode before the year ends. I think I got like 14 more to hit 50 episodes in two years. Yeah. Since I've been doing it. So make sure y'all like, comment, subscribe, share, and tell someone someone, just tell someone that relationships is worth more than money. I like that. Yeah.